Legislature(2013 - 2014)BUTROVICH 205

03/06/2014 09:00 AM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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09:00:42 AM Start
09:01:34 AM SJR23
09:24:51 AM Confirmation Hearings
10:02:31 AM SJR18
10:29:17 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Confirmation Hearings: TELECONFERENCED
Commissioner Curtis Thayer, Dept. of
Administration
Michele Christiansen, State Commission for
Human Rights
Richard Burton, Alaska Police Standards Council
Nora Barlow, Violent Crimes Compensation Board
Immanuel Lewis, State Commission for Human
Rights
*+ SJR 23 CONST. AM: STUDENT LOAN DEBT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SJR 23 Out of Committee
+= SJR 18 FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ SB 149 HEARINGS ON REFERENDA TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
              SJR 23-CONST. AM: STUDENT LOAN DEBT                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:01:34 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON welcomed Senator Fairclough to introduce SJR 23.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:01:42 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  ANNA  FAIRCLOUGH,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, stated that  SJR 23 amends the  Alaska Constitution which                                                               
is  a very  serious  matter.  She explained  that  SJR 23  simply                                                               
allows  the Legislature  to authorize  a loan  for post-secondary                                                               
students.  She  added that  SJR  23  fits into  a  constitutional                                                               
amendment  and allows  for a  post-secondary education  bond that                                                               
would  have to  come to  the Legislature  for approval.  She said                                                               
ultimately the resolution  would have to go to voters  and ask if                                                               
they agreed  with the Legislature.  She pointed out  that current                                                               
state  law  under  the Alaska  Constitution  allows  for  capital                                                               
improvement  indebtedness and  housing  loans  for veterans.  She                                                               
detailed that  SJR 23 would  expand the legislative  authority to                                                               
cover a debt for one more entity.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:03:23 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL joined the committee meeting.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked why SJR 23 is needed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  answered that students across  the nation are                                                               
experiencing  a  high debt  load,  something  that the  country's                                                               
Founding Fathers  probably never  considered. Debt  was something                                                               
different many years  ago than it is today. She  said the state's                                                               
students  are borrowing  at  a  much higher  rate  than they  can                                                               
achieve or  acquire. The federal  national loan program was  at 7                                                               
percent and has  been reduced to 3.86 percent. She  said the hope                                                               
is for student  to go and try to access  federal loans first. She                                                               
remarked that currently because of  the structure of the Alaska's                                                               
loan system, the  state is financing 2014 loan  debt for students                                                               
at 7.30  percent via the  Alaska Supplemental Education  Loan and                                                               
Family Education Loan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She said SJR 23's purpose is  to first, extend student loans at a                                                               
lower  interest  rate by  using  the  full  faith and  credit  in                                                               
Alaska's  AAA credit  rating. Second,  over time  the Legislature                                                               
could  assist  students  by  refinancing  their  higher  interest                                                               
loans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WIELECHOWSKI   stated    that   he   supports   Senator                                                               
Fairclough's efforts.  He asserted that the  Legislature needs to                                                               
drive down outrageously  high loan costs for  student. He pointed                                                               
that the priorities  are wrong when banks can get  loans for less                                                               
than 1 percent and Alaska is charging students 7 percent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  asked how  much the  interest rates  can be  driven down.  He                                                               
inquired if  lowering interest rates  was a better  approach than                                                               
funding loans through the State's General Fund.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH responded  that the  lowest debt  to students                                                               
would occur through the State's  General Fund. She said using the                                                               
State's General  Fund is a  challenge due to volatile  oil prices                                                               
and tight  budgetary times.  She stated that  SJR 23  would offer                                                               
loans  that would  be a  percent  or percent-plus  below what  is                                                               
currently offered.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:06:23 AM                                                                                                                    
DIANE   BARRANS,   Executive   Officer,   Alaska   Student   Loan                                                               
Corporation (ASLC), Juneau,  Alaska, noted that she  was also the                                                               
Executive  Director of  the  Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary                                                               
Education. She said Senator Fairclough  has done an excellent job                                                               
of explaining  the objective and  the reasons behind SJR  23. She                                                               
noted that Senator Fairclough is  correct that, depending what is                                                               
occurring  in  the  market,  general   obligation  bonds  can  be                                                               
accessed with  the Alaska's  AAA credit behind  it to  achieve at                                                               
least a percentage point reduction  below what could otherwise be                                                               
achieved.  She added  that another  benefit would  be the  rating                                                               
agencies and  investors looking at  Alaska's credit,  rather than                                                               
scrutinizing  education loans,  revenue will  be provided  to pay                                                               
down bonds  and the credit criteria  may be widened so  that more                                                               
Alaska students can qualify.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:08:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH pointed  out that around the time  of the 2008                                                               
financial crisis,  the federal government actually  increased the                                                               
credit  scores   required  to  access   loans.  She   noted  that                                                               
previously, students were considered a  good risk if they did not                                                               
have credit. Currently  the new definition requires  a student to                                                               
have a minimum credit score  and students are not qualifying. She                                                               
provided an example of having to  co-sign for her son in order to                                                               
obtain a student loan for college.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:10:05 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  said college  student  debt  has become  a                                                               
national crisis. He pointed out  that there is a trillion dollars                                                               
of outstanding student  loan debt. He asked how  much the student                                                               
loan interest rates  will be reduced and how much  the state will                                                               
pay  in  addition  to  what  the students  will  be  charged.  He                                                               
inquired if  SJR 23  is the  best way to  get the  interest rates                                                               
down for students.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS replied  that a significant change  to interest rates                                                               
can be  made. She pointed  out that market-based rates  have been                                                               
at historical  lows over  the past several  years and  her intent                                                               
was not  to over promise what  using the state's AAA  rating will                                                               
allow for  the lowest  possible cost of  funds. She  continued to                                                               
explain as follows:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     If we were  in the market today with AAA  debt, I think                                                                    
     we would  be in the  4.5 to 4.6 percent  range. Compare                                                                    
     to if we were in  market today with student loan backed                                                                    
     bonds, we  would be  at least a  percentage and  a half                                                                    
     higher than  that. So that's  kind of  the differential                                                                    
     that you  can achieve, but  again it would allow  us as                                                                    
     well  to  make  the  loans  more  widely  available  to                                                                    
     students. Right  now, as Sen  Fairclough points  out in                                                                    
     her  sponsor  statement, we  deny  over  40 percent  of                                                                    
     applicants  who  come to  us  now.  We are  failing  to                                                                    
     really deliver  the kind of program  to state residents                                                                    
     that  we   should  both  with  respect   to  price  and                                                                    
     availability.  To  your   second  more  broad  question                                                                    
     regarding is  this the best  approach, I  would suggest                                                                    
     that it is, not only will  we not be looking at a year-                                                                    
     to-year situation where  if we were to go  to a general                                                                    
     fund supported  program where we  have to rely  on what                                                                    
     other priorities the state  is dealing with financially                                                                    
     and we can't make a  long term commitment to borrowers,                                                                    
     but we  are using  the state's credit  very efficiently                                                                    
     without  associating a  financial  obligation upon  the                                                                    
     state. The  loans themselves can  be structured  to pay                                                                    
     down  the  bonds, avoid  any  potential  burden on  the                                                                    
     state general  fund, but still  deliver a  product that                                                                    
     would rival any other  non-federal loan in the country.                                                                    
     We  would  hopefully  be  second  to  none  under  this                                                                    
     structure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:13:33 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  SJR  23  is essentially  revenue                                                               
neutral  by passing  through costs  with administrative  fees. He                                                               
inquired if  the state is losing  money or will SJR  23 allow the                                                               
state to make money.   He addressed delinquency rates and queried                                                               
if the state anticipates a problem.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS answered  that cost  is rather  revenue-neutral. She                                                               
explained that the  business model has been to keep  costs to the                                                               
borrower  as low  as possible  while remaining  in a  position to                                                               
demonstrate good faith  in repaying bond holders.  She noted that                                                               
hundreds of  millions of dollars  of bonds have been  issued over                                                               
the years without ever having  to statutorily ask the Legislature                                                               
for  funds  to  cover  bond  shortfalls.  She  pointed  out  that                                                               
borrowers  have  been  provided  with benefits  in  the  form  of                                                               
credits that are  applied to loans. She explained  that a student                                                               
who attends  school in  Alaska and  is making  automated payments                                                               
can receive  a 0.75  percent credit.  She said  delinquency rates                                                               
are quite low and average in the  5 to 8 percent range. She noted                                                               
that delinquency rates increased  during the recessionary period,                                                               
but rates have declined during the  past two years. She set forth                                                               
that ASLC is  in a very good situation to  look at supporting the                                                               
next generation of student loan financing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON invited public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:17:07 AM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  COONS,  representing  himself,   Palmer,  Alaska,  said  he                                                               
opposed SJR 23 and noted  the nation's propensity for debt rather                                                               
than  savings.  He  stated  that   lowered  interest  rates  will                                                               
exasperate student debt.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON announced  that public testimony is  closed. He asked                                                               
to confirm that if  SJR 23 gets on the ballot  and is approved by                                                               
voters,  SJR would  have  to  come back  to  the Legislature  for                                                               
authorization by specific law.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH  concurred  with   Mr.  Coons'  concern  with                                                               
student debt  and noted  that she  supported savings.  She stated                                                               
that voting  for SJR 23  supports loans  for students who  do not                                                               
have savings or  parents that can help out. She  pointed out that                                                               
ASLC already has the capacity to  borrow, so there is nothing new                                                               
that  would have  to  happen.  She agreed  with  previous SJR  23                                                               
testimony that a student can carry  less debt if they graduate on                                                               
time. She  added that the  state should help  students understand                                                               
the cost of  education and the debt that will  have to be carried                                                               
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:22:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  noted that  the student loan  program is  a tool                                                               
that allows the state to put together  a way to make the best use                                                               
of its money. He added that  the concept really comes down to the                                                               
cost of money.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL agreed  with Mr.  Coons  and Senator  Fairclough                                                               
that debt is  not good. She stated that she  supports SJR 23, but                                                               
noted that  the resolution  does not  get at  the problem  of why                                                               
secondary-education is becoming more expensive.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced that the Chair will entertain a motion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:23:36 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  moved to report  SJR 23 from  committee, labeled                                                               
28-LS1394\U with  individual recommendations and  attached fiscal                                                               
note(s).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:23:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  announced that  seeing no  objection, SJR  23 passed                                                               
out of the Senate State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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